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Comments on Was Manchuria Korean territory?

gingerbeardbastard
2 日前

Ma Han took the eastern part? of its territory and gave it to them, because they are Qin people, they are also called Qin Han. Their language and words used to describe things are similar to the Chinese...their writing, armament, are the same as China's."

Why dont korean nationalist bring their own historical source up?
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gingerbeardbastard
2 日前

According to Beizhi and Samguk Sagi, using korean logic of race? = history, koreans are chinese too

"新罗者,其先本辰韩种也。地在高丽东南,居汉时乐浪地。辰韩亦

­曰秦韩。相传言秦世亡人避役来适,马韩割其东界居之,以秦人,故­名之曰秦韩。其言语名物,有似中国人。....其文字、甲兵,同­于中国 "



"Silla came from Zhen Han. Its southeast of Koguryo, belonging to the Lelang prefecture during Han. Zhen Han is also known as Qin Han. According to a common saying, after Qin fell, many people came as refugees.

Cont..
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gingerbeardbastard
3 日前

to quote what says after the "one family sentence" that says Bohai were seven tribes of Wuji.

Korean nationalist only reacts to what suits their nationalistic conclusions.

But what's funny is the book of? Jin(金史) on the FIRST sentences that say "Ancestors of Jin are Mohe" . Koreans ignore this when they distorted the Book of jin by saying Jin's ruling family was korean.

I dont trust heh scholarship of korea
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sikanosukeyamanaka
3 日前

@gingerbeardbastard

this is their weapon,「欽定滿洲源流考」

謹按金始祖本從新羅來號完顔氏所部稱完顔部新羅王金姓則金之逺派

出於新羅所居有白山黑水南北之境二千里而遥固與本朝肇興之地輪廣­相同大金國志言金國本名珠里真與

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gingerbeardbastard
2 日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

But the first sentence of 欽定滿洲源流考

上諭頃閲金史世紀雲金始祖居完顔部其地有白山黒水白山即長白山黒?水即黒龍江本朝肇興東土山川鍾毓與大金正同史又稱金之先出靺鞨部?古肅慎地

Wanyan Hanpu did travel to Koryo, but Wanyan Aguda didnt.

let's look at this source:

"金朝開國皇帝。漢名旻。女真名阿骨打。按出虎水(今黑龍江哈爾

¬濱東南阿什河)女真完顏部人。"金太祖完顏旻

 written by a Jin general who married jin princess.

“Jin first emperor called, han name is Min. Jurchen Aguda, from tiger water( today’s? Heilungjiang) is jurchen wanyen clansman.”

Korean nationalist ignored this source
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sikanosukeyamanaka
2 日前

@gingerbeardbastard

how? do you think about this from 金史?

「金之始祖諱函普,初從高麗來,年已六十餘矣。」
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

One must read the whole section in order to? see what it means, that is why Korean nationalist distorted the book of Jin. Korean nationalist loves to ignore the first sentences.

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FIRST sentence of the book of Jin

金之先,出靺鞨氏。靺鞨本號勿吉。金史

Ancestor of Jin originate from Mohe Tribe.

Also, Wanyan Hanpu DID go to Koryo. But it did not state he was Korean. Also it was Wanyan Aguda who establish Jin dynasty.

Another Source written by Jin dynasty that say Wanyan clan is jurchen
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

According to this source, Ancestor of Jin, Wanyan Min (refer to Wanyan Aguda) Wanyan Min is the Han name.

金朝開國皇帝。漢名旻。女真名阿骨打。按出虎水(今黑龍江哈爾¬?¬-濱東南阿什河)女真完顏部人- 金太祖完顏旻

"First emperor of Jin dynasty, Han name Min. Jurchen Name Aguda. From? tiger water (Today’s heilungjiang) is a Jurchen Wanyan Clansman"

Note that this source is written by a Jin dynasty general who married the Jin princess.

This is clear enough, i dont know why korean nationalists ignored this source.
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

史又稱金之先出靺鞨部 金史

Jin Ancestors are from Mohe Tribe

In fact, if you read Book of Jin is very clear. I can post the whole section that includes the claim that Hanpu is "korean", you? will see why it is distorted.
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

Entire? passage of

金之先,出靺鞨氏。靺鞨本号勿吉。勿吉,古肃慎地也。元魏时,勿

­吉有七 部:曰粟末部、曰伯咄部、曰安车骨部、曰拂涅部、曰号室部、曰黑­水部、曰白 山部。隋称靺鞨,而七部并同。唐初, 有黑水靺鞨、栗末靺鞨,其五部无闻。 粟末靺鞨始附高丽,姓大氏。李绩破高丽,粟末靺鞨保东牟山。后为­渤海,称王, 传十余世。有文字、礼乐、官府、制度。有五京、十五府、六十二州­。黑水靺鞨 居肃慎地,东濒海,南接高丽,亦附于高丽。尝以兵十五万众助高丽­拒唐太宗, 败于安市。开元中,来朝,置黑水府,以部长为都督、刺史,置长史­监之。赐都 督姓李氏,名献诚,领黑水经略使。其后渤海盛强,黑水役属之,朝­贡遂绝。五 代时,契丹尽取渤海地,而黑水靺鞨附属于契丹。其在南者籍契丹,­号熟女直; 其在北者不在契丹籍,号生女直。生女直地有混同江、长白山,混同­江亦号黑龙 江,所谓“白山黑水”是也。 金之始祖讳函普,初从高丽来,年已六十余矣。兄阿古乃好佛,留高­丽不肯 从,曰:“后世子孙必有能相聚者,吾不能去也。”独与弟保活里俱­。

cont...
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@gingerbeardbastard

Translated:

"The Mohe are the ancestors of the Jin. the? Mohe were called Wuji, the Wuji lived on the land of the Sushen people. There are seven Wuji tribes: Sumo, Boduo, Anchegu, Funie, Haoshi, Heishui, Baishan.

During the early Tang dynasty, the Sumo Mohe was a vassal of Koguryo and surnamed 'Da'.

Tang destroyed Koguryo, and the Sumo Mohe retreated to the to eastern mountains and estabilishes the state of Bohai, calling itself king and has writing, music

cont..
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@gingerbeardbastard

, established five capitals, five governments, sixteen provinces.

The Heishui (Blackwater) Mohe were also vassals of Koguryo and sent 150,000 troops to aid Koguryo against the Tang, but they were defeated at Anshi.

During the Five dynasties period? the Khitans destroyed Bohai, and the Heishui Mohe became a vassals of the Khitans. The southern ones became citizens of Liao [the Khitan state] and were known as "cooked" [meaning assimilated] Jurchen

cont..
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@gingerbeardbastard

while the northern ones were not citizens of Liao and thus were called? "raw" [unassimilated] Jurchens.

The "raw" Jurchen lived between the Heilongjiang River and Changbai Mountains, and so were called 'white mountain, black water.'

The ancestor of Jin, Hanpu 60 years old came from Koryo. His older brother Agunai was interested in Buddhism and thus did not come with him and remained in Koryo.

cont.. on next paragraph
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

始祖居完 ?部仆干水之涯,保活里居耶?。其后胡十?以曷???太祖,自言?其祖兄弟三 人相?而去,盖自?阿古乃之后。石土?、迪古乃,保活里之裔也。?及太祖??? 兵于境上,?耶律?十,乃使梁福、斡荅刺招?渤海人曰:“女直、?渤海本同一 家。”盖其初皆勿吉之七部也。
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@gingerbeardbastard

Their decendants were Shitumen and Digunai. When Taizhu [Wanyan Aguda] defeated Liao, Wodaci proclaimed to Bohai people "Bohai, Jurchen were originally one family" both were from seven tribes of Wuji."

The passage is very clear, it gives? the clear ethnic history of the Jurchen, which korean nationalists didnt mention.

Also, the passage doesnt state his ethnicity, Hanpu could be a buddist name but his brother Agunai is clearly nomadic. Not korean
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gingerbeardbastard
1日前

@sikanosukeyamanaka

Also the book of Jin stated Bohai was Jurchen, establish by Sumo Mohe which was? a vassal of Koyoryo.

Only korean nationalist fabricated Bohai was korean race. Its a lie and they did not quote that part of the Book of Jin because they wanted to hide their inferiority complex of the "korean race"
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gingerbeardbastard
3 日前

Haoshi, Heishui, Baishan."

So Wuji = Mohe (Mohe are juchen)

蓋自謂阿古乃之後。石土門、迪古乃,保活里之裔也。及太祖敗遼兵?於境上,獲耶律謝十,乃使梁福、斡荅刺招諭渤海人曰:「女直、渤?海本同一家。」蓋其初皆勿吉之七部也。

Their decendants were Shitumen and Digunai. When Taizhu [Wanyan Aguda] defeated Liao, Wodaci proclaimed to Bohai people "Bohai, Jurchen were originally one family" both were from seven tribes of Wuji."

So Bohai = Wuji.

If you look at wikipedia it stated Bohai? was korean race, and it only quoted "bohai, jurchen were originally same faily" but refuse cont.
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gingerbeardbastard
3 日前

Very informative, i also i wanted to back up with the Book of Jin wrote what Bohai, Korean nationalist distorted the book of jin saying Jin dynasty are korean because Bohai was korean race:

Well here is the book of Jin, Chapter 1

金之先,出靺鞨氏。靺鞨本号勿吉。勿吉,古?慎地也。元魏?,勿?吉有七 部:曰粟末部、曰伯咄部、曰安?骨部、曰拂涅部、曰号室部、曰黑?水部、曰白 山部。隋称靺鞨,而七部并同。

Translate:

The Mohe are the ancestors of the Jin. the Mohe were called Wuji, the Wuji lived on the land of the? Sushen people. There are seven Wuji tribes: Sumo, Boduo, Anchegu, Funie..
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gingerbeardbastard
3 日前

@BuffonMusa

Koguryo's first king, Jumong was born in today's manchuria, he wasnt born in the korean peninsular.

It is ok to say Kogoryo was part of? korean history. But to say Kogoryo was korean race is just absurd. Did the British say Saxons are British race in order to be british history? Or did India have to say Mughal are indians in order to be indian history? no

That's why koreans lie in order to satisfy their racial superiority orgasm in order to hide the inferiority complex.

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I just wanted to save gingerbeardbastard's comments.
Those are very informative.
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