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  • 2017.07
BS歴史館「忍者の真実」感想 NHK Ninja program review Pt.1
BS歴史館 ここまでわかった!?忍者の真実 2012-8-23
BS Rekishikan "Truth of Ninja" aired in 23 Aug 2012

bsr4.jpg磯田先生が数年前発見した岡山藩の忍び役の史料を中心に話し合う。
They talk about mainly Okayama-han's Ninja that Isoda discovered recently.
ゲストは磯田道史准教授、国際日本文化研究センターの笠谷教授となぜか映画監督篠田氏。たぶん篠田氏が一般的忍者ファン代表なんだろう。氏の言うことは一般的忍者本の受け売りの範囲内。
Guests are Assistant proffessor Isoda, Professor of  International research center for Japanese studies Kasaya and somehow movie director Shinoda. Probably Shinoda represent common Ninja fans. What he said was what's on common Ninjer books.


Q・忍びの者とはどんな人達だったのですか?
Q.What kind of people are Shinobi?

bsr6.jpg篠田監督
Movie director Shinoda
城の中に入って放火するとか暗殺するとかは日常茶飯事。
They sneaked into castle to set fire and assassinated all the time!
痕跡を残しちゃいけない。刀抜いた瞬間から忍者の資格が無い。
They don't leave trace. Once they drew sword, they were not qualified to be Ninja.


bsr7.jpg笠谷教授
Professor Kasaya
伝えられるエピソードとして、敵の服装をして陣中を暴れまわる
Reportedly, they disguised as enemy and went on ranpage in enemy camp.
忍者ってのはスパイであるとともに、スーパーマンであり超人的能力を持っている。
Ninja were spies and also supermen.
それは城を乗り越えるという力なんですね。
The super abirity is getting into castle.
堀を越えて石垣を超えて城内で様々な謀略をする、これは並大抵では出来ない。
Getting over moat and wall, espionage inside of the castle, it's no easy.

*注意深く読めばスーパーマンと呼ぶ理由は城に潜入する技だとわかるが、忍者ファンはこういう言葉をとらえて大げさに吹聴するので注意して欲しい。
*If you read carefully, the reason why Kasaya called "Supermen" was skill of getting into castle, but Ninjers tend to exaggerate word like that so he should be more careful.


bsr9.jpg忍びの起源は地侍
Origin of Ninja was Jizamurai (=Dogo 土豪)



萩野家奉公書
Haginoke Hokosho
bsr8.jpg伊賀忍者を祖先に持つ岡山藩藩士萩野家の記録。
これが磯田先生発見の史料。
Record of Hagino family, retainer of Ikeda clan Okayama han.
Their ancestor was Iga Ninja.
This is what Isoda discovered.

萩野市衛門の祖父守田三之丞、戦国時代伊賀生まれ
忍者のリーダーで信長と互角に渡り合った。(天正伊賀の乱当時16才)
*こういう表現はフカシっぽい。
Hagino Ichiemon's grandfather Morita San'nojo was born in Iga during Sengoku period.
He was a leader of Ninja, fought with Nobunaga equally.(Tensho Iga no ran, San'nojo was 16)
*Description like that sounds exaggeration.

Q.忍びとは伊賀者甲賀者のことか?
Q.Were Ninja Iga-mono and Koka-mono?

bsr5.jpg磯田
伊賀甲賀はブランド忍者
日本各地に地場忍術が沢山できてる
*私はこの地場忍術流派がいつ発生したのか知りたいんだけどずっと謎のまま。
Isoda
Iga and Koka were brand names.
There were many regional Ninjutsu all over Japan.
*I've been researching when those regional ninjutsu were established but it's been mystery.

Q.なぜ忍びは生まれたか
Q.How Nina was born?

篠田
伊賀は山で盆地だから稲作なんてやっても食えない。
何で食うんですか?山林ですよ。
Shinoda
Iga was surrounded by mountains, they could not grow rice very much.
How did they live? It's forestry.

笠谷
やっぱりね超人的な能力なんですよ。
監督が言ったことではっと気がついたのは木のぼりですね。
彼らの能力の由来が修験だとか山伏だとか言われているけど根本考えてみたら枝打ちなどしなければいけないので、山の民ってのは木のぼりしなければならない。
Kasaya
It's because their super abirity.
I realized the ability was climbing tree.
People say Ninja's skills were originated in Yamabushi(Shugendo) but fundamentally mountain people need to climb up tree to cut branches.

*もともと忍びは山賊のようなものなので山地に多く居たというのは理解出来るんだけど、それで特殊技能を持つ忍者が生まれたというのなら長野や群馬に伊賀甲賀より多くの凄い忍者がいないとおかしいなあ。
長野に比べたら伊賀はまだ平地も多いしなんといっても都に近い。私が伊賀に行った時いちばん印象に残ってるのは豪農のお屋敷の多さ。うちは関東平野だが昔名主さんだった家でもあんなにでかくない。
やっぱりいちばんの理由は土豪がひしめき合っていて縄張り争いばっかりやってたってことじゃないかな。(暴力団の抗争に近い?)
とはいえ私はまだ忍術書にあるようなことを戦国時代に忍者が実際使ってたか懐疑的なんだけどね。
*Shinobi were same as bandits so I understand they lived in or near mountains, but if it is the reason for them to master special Ninja skill, there suppsed to be more super Ninja in Nagano or Gunma than Iga-Koka.
Iga has more flat land than Nagano and even close to Kyoto. What impressed me when I went to Iga was many big farmer mansions. I live in "Kanto plain", even former Nanushi(village leader in feudal period, usually richest farmer) houses aren't that big.
I think why Iga-Koka developed Ninja skills(Guerilla attack, sneaking, stalking etc) was because there were too many Jizamurai fighting over territory.(Kind of like Yakuza war?)
Though I am still skeptical with Ninja in Sengoku period really had all those skills on Ninjutsu scrolls.


iga.jpg伊賀
そんなにたいそうな山ではない。
すぐ向こうは大都市だった京都。
Iga
The mountains are not so big.
Very close to "big city" Kyoto(Left).






matsumoto.jpg
長野、松本周辺
3000m級の山々
ウェストン卿により日本アルプスと名付けられた。
Nagano, Matsumoto city.
3000m class mountains.
Sir Weston named Japan Alps.





gunma.jpg
群馬、谷川岳周辺
もうほとんど山しかない
Gunma, Tanigawadake
Almost mountains.







kazamatsuri.jpg
神奈川、風祭
風魔のモデルになった風間の居たところ
なんと海に近い
Kanagawa, Kazamatsuri.
Kazamatsuri was the place where Kazama(model of Fuma) were.
Even close to ocean.





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